Comments on: The Journey of the Open Mind http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:42:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Michael Raugh http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-400 Michael Raugh Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:26:18 +0000 http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/#comment-400 Thanks, Debbie. I wish I lived in your neighborhood, too. And when I get through this whirlwind weekend, I will be in touch! <MR> Thanks, Debbie. I wish I lived in your neighborhood, too. And when I get through this whirlwind weekend, I will be in touch!

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]]> By: Ellie http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-399 Ellie Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:16:18 +0000 http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/#comment-399 Thanks Debbie. And Mirehn - I do have to tell you you hit the nail on the head. I do tend toward humanistic, Jungian, and transpersonal psychology. I do not view these as pop. In my own practice (and those I have studied) I find these to be far more effective in creating positive change. I believe the humanistic side threatens those who have some innate need for pure structure, rather than actually trying to make a difference or understand the human condition. I am sorry you have found that my attitude on this blog my not jive with your beliefs. You say science is based on rock. Rock changes because of air. It corrodes, It changes form and shape. And if you had been reading the post, you would have read about it being an optical illusion. Feel free to disagree with me and my philosophies. It is what makes things more interesting. And with that said, I am off to the wilds of humanity. Thanks Debbie. And Mirehn - I do have to tell you you hit the nail on the head. I do tend toward humanistic, Jungian, and transpersonal psychology. I do not view these as pop. In my own practice (and those I have studied) I find these to be far more effective in creating positive change. I believe the humanistic side threatens those who have some innate need for pure structure, rather than actually trying to make a difference or understand the human condition.

I am sorry you have found that my attitude on this blog my not jive with your beliefs. You say science is based on rock. Rock changes because of air. It corrodes, It changes form and shape.

And if you had been reading the post, you would have read about it being an optical illusion.

Feel free to disagree with me and my philosophies. It is what makes things more interesting. And with that said, I am off to the wilds of humanity.

]]> By: Debbie Lane http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-398 Debbie Lane Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:02:59 +0000 http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/#comment-398 Have fun traveling, you picked great guys to fill in for you. (Of course I am so partial to Michael as you probably know by now. (I do wish he lived in my neighborhood.) I agree you are allowing for new understandings. Although there is nothing wrong with spreading good information, when conversations stop, so does learning. Perhaps there are control issues on the part of those who would tell you how to blog? Thanks for mentioning my blog again, yes the new release is out (Living The Lucky Life) and I am excited about it. Come back safely and renewed to continue your hypnotic blog, Ellie! Have fun traveling, you picked great guys to fill in for you. (Of course I am so partial to Michael as you probably know by now. (I do wish he lived in my neighborhood.)

I agree you are allowing for new understandings. Although there is nothing wrong with spreading good information, when conversations stop, so does learning. Perhaps there are control issues on the part of those who would tell you how to blog?

Thanks for mentioning my blog again, yes the new release is out (Living The Lucky Life) and I am excited about it.

Come back safely and renewed to continue your hypnotic blog, Ellie!

]]> By: Mirehn http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-395 Mirehn Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:47:41 +0000 http://theunwindingpath.com/transhypno/2008/03/17/the-journey-of-the-open-mind/#comment-395 Well, to clarify I was not making a statement about the truth of the matter. I am not in a position to know that. What I was commenting on was your attitude, which I perceived to be one that advocated spreading misinformation. Science is based on what can be proved objectively, that which cannot be demonstrated to be correct is not scientific. Any questioning or reevaluation must be on these grounds, either evidence that disproves a hypothesis, or evidence that suggests an alternative one. In this case, it appeared that there was neither, and you didn't seem to think either was necessary. If that was not the case I apologize, but that is how it appeared from what you said. Science is not founded on air. It is founded on rock. Rock that must be continually checked and rechecked for validity and structural integrity, but rock nonetheless; at least in principle. An alternative to a scientific theory must have similarly strong foundations. And I would contest that incorrect information is good because it educates. Maybe that would be the case if every time it was reproduced there was a little notice saying "This information is not actually fully correct, and is to be taken as a guide only", then perhaps it would be of benefit. But popular psychology has already done enough damage by being taken as fact; for example the counselling profession. That profession has almost entirely been overtaken with the Humanistic Approach to psychology, which is considered by many eminent psychologists to be mere psychobabble, and has no supporting evidence whatsoever (apart from two very flawed studies that have no merit in scientific circles). However this theory is used as I said before almost universally in the counselling profession, and in corporate psychology. Why? Because the guy who came up with the theory didn't waste time proving it, and started marketing it. Only now are scientifically validated theories starting to gain credence over his rubbish. That is a case in which a little knowledge being spread widely has done far more harm that good. Again, this point isn't really concerned with the facts of the matter, as I said it is out of my field and I don't have the evidence to hand. But surely this is a valid criticism of your approach to the subject? I would love to hear your reaction to reading what I have said. Mirehn Well, to clarify I was not making a statement about the truth of the matter. I am not in a position to know that. What I was commenting on was your attitude, which I perceived to be one that advocated spreading misinformation. Science is based on what can be proved objectively, that which cannot be demonstrated to be correct is not scientific. Any questioning or reevaluation must be on these grounds, either evidence that disproves a hypothesis, or evidence that suggests an alternative one.

In this case, it appeared that there was neither, and you didn’t seem to think either was necessary. If that was not the case I apologize, but that is how it appeared from what you said.

Science is not founded on air. It is founded on rock. Rock that must be continually checked and rechecked for validity and structural integrity, but rock nonetheless; at least in principle. An alternative to a scientific theory must have similarly strong foundations.

And I would contest that incorrect information is good because it educates. Maybe that would be the case if every time it was reproduced there was a little notice saying “This information is not actually fully correct, and is to be taken as a guide only”, then perhaps it would be of benefit. But popular psychology has already done enough damage by being taken as fact; for example the counselling profession. That profession has almost entirely been overtaken with the Humanistic Approach to psychology, which is considered by many eminent psychologists to be mere psychobabble, and has no supporting evidence whatsoever (apart from two very flawed studies that have no merit in scientific circles). However this theory is used as I said before almost universally in the counselling profession, and in corporate psychology. Why? Because the guy who came up with the theory didn’t waste time proving it, and started marketing it. Only now are scientifically validated theories starting to gain credence over his rubbish. That is a case in which a little knowledge being spread widely has done far more harm that good.

Again, this point isn’t really concerned with the facts of the matter, as I said it is out of my field and I don’t have the evidence to hand. But surely this is a valid criticism of your approach to the subject? I would love to hear your reaction to reading what I have said.

Mirehn

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